Interessante Theorie (Over Touhou)

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    Interessante Theorie (Over Touhou)

    Bericht van Pshycho Maniac op di sep 13, 2011 10:43 am

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    Gensokyo is the name of a mental hospital

    ...and all the fantasy elements and adventures are the collective
    result of a bunch of fractured minds coping together. Each character's
    individual quirks actually come from their neuroses:

    Reimu and Marisa suffer from intense hallucinations, which is why most
    of the world seems to be built around them. They're also paranoid,
    leading to them picking fights whenever they think anything strange
    happens.
    Also, the two of them, along with Yuuka, were the very first patients
    of the hospital. Because they didn't have much company, they started
    to make some imaginary "friends" that they could fight with (well,
    there was Yuuka, but the caretakers thought it was better not to let
    them in contact with her. Not that they succeded, of course), along
    with recurring character Mima who Marisa claimed was her teacher and
    that Reimu could never defeat her (thus their rivalry). Eventually,
    more patients ended up in the hospital, thus there was no need for any
    imaginary friends when the girls finally had someone to interact
    with(thus explaining why the PC 98-era is Retgone).

    Yuka was a schizophrenic gardener who made friends with the flowers in
    her garden, believing they could talk to her. She was sent away to
    Gensokyo for brutalizing an unfortunate soul who accidentally ruined
    her garden, killing several of her imaginary friends.

    Rumia had always been a troubled child, but her insanity finally
    reached a climax when one night, she crept out of bed and assassinated
    both her parents. She has been found eating their bodies, calling
    herself a "youkai".

    It was January and -35 degrees Celsius outside when little Cirno's
    abusive drunkard of a father kicked his simpleton of a daughter out of
    the house with nothing but a dress to protect her from the biting
    cold. Cirno wandered around, slowly freezing to death. By the time
    someone helped her, it was too late. The cold had irreversibly
    affected her nervous system, turning an already simple child into a
    mental retard, as well as completely inuring her from any sensations
    in her members. This lack of pain and feelings has led Cirno to
    believe she has gained immunity to, and subsequently control over
    frost, of which she is extremely proud.

    Daiyousei a quiet, homeless, but (relatively) mentally well girl who
    alerted child welfare when she found Cirno. She quietly comes and
    goes, seeming to appear and disappear like a fairy to most of the the
    inmates. The nurses allow these visits since Cirno is always happy to
    see her.

    Shinki was apparently a woman who was traumatized by witnessing or
    being part of some occult ritual, or she herself conducted it.

    Hong Meiling is narcoleptic and a recovering drug addict (see: giant
    catfish), at a specialist hospital because the latter restricts
    treatment for the former. She comes across as a doormat in the
    fantasies of others because she's lucid enough to know that playing
    along is best for everyone.

    Sakuya is the one who initially insisted she be institutionalized for
    her drug problems. Meiling jokingly says she thinks she can manipulate
    time and throw knives because she always seems to teleport around and
    start poking her mid-conversation, though she realizes she just fell
    asleep.

    Alternatively, Sakuya was a batshit crazy knife nut serial killer, so
    skilled she never left any traces after her murders, always getting
    away, almost as if she could stop time. She would have gotten the
    death penalty (or lifetime prison), but the attorney pleaded insanity.

    And with that alternatively, Meiling was Sakuya's partner in crime and
    got the pair caught when she fell asleep while on lookout. Despite the
    risk, they pair are allowed to stay together since they keep each
    other controllably calm, though they are kept a few rooms from
    everyone else, not least because Meiling is a masochist to Sakuya's
    sadist.

    Remilia comes from a family of nobles, but their fortune was lost. In
    desperation, Remilia went insane, becoming a serial killer suffering
    from a vampire complex, hiding in her decrepit mansion during the day.
    She would kidnap and kill people to drink their blood until she was
    finally stopped. She became good friends with Sakuya, who respects her
    as being the more hardcore of the two. Her sister Flandre (something
    with the genes of this family is just wrong, maybe it's all the
    cosanguine marriages between nobles) suffers from psychosis, and gets
    violently destructive when she suffers a psychotic break. She lives in
    a more secure ward downstairs from the others for everyone's safety,
    where Remilia regularly visits her.

    Yukari is an old woman who suffered a stroke that severely damaged her
    spatial perception - she thinks she can manipulate the borders between
    places because she constantly misjudges where things are. Ran and Chen
    are her daughter and granddaughter.

    Youmu constantly has out-of-body experiences, leading to a delusion
    that she has another, "ghost" half.

    Yuyuko suffers from a neurological condition that makes her think
    she's always starving. She has to be chained to a chair or she'd
    bother everyone in a hysterical search for food, or if she could find
    enough, eat herself to death. There's a cherry blossom tree outside
    her window, and Youmu is her wardmate.

    Yoshika may suffer from the same condition Yuyuko has except she is
    bound to the wall of a room

    Kanako suffers from a severe God complex, or more precisely a Wind God
    complex. Suwako has an extremely weird combination, she has a God
    complex, and she also thinks she is a frog, hopping around like one.

    Sanae is Kanako's daughter, and visits her mother often. She plays
    along with the patients' escapades, and, as of late, is becoming more
    eager to play make-believe, especially now that she's compared it to
    her comparatively dull reality. Her humans-first attitude is a
    reflection of her annoyance with many of the other patients.

    Utsuho Reiuji worked at a nuclear central until a catastrophic nuclear
    accident happened and she was exposed to massive amounts of radiation,
    deforming her foot, forcing the amputation of one of her arms and its
    replacement by a prosthetic arm, and twisting her brain. Utsuho
    believes that she has gained superpowers (oh, and that she's a bird).
    She likes to wrap herself in a sanitary blanket like a cape, and make
    up ludicrous plans to burn the asylum to the ground.

    Alternatively, Satori is a patient with a form of autism from so far
    into the deep end of the spectrum that she finds normal social
    interaction impossible. Instead, she keeps pets, a cat (Orin) and a
    raven that comes past every day because she feeds it (Utsuho). Since
    she can think well enough to require stimulation (just being rather
    sideways about it), she reads the facility's medical texts; since she
    has a habit of diagnosing others with the same things the nurses say,
    they all think she can read minds.

    Aya was once a world famous journalist but one day had her cover blown
    while following some highly illegal lines of investigation. The
    ensuing storm saw her reputation and publishing history made a joke
    practically overnight; since she lived for her job, this was enough to
    make her completely snap. She was admitted for her mental wellbeing,
    but since she's mostly harmless (running back and forth taking photos
    for the big story she still believes she's chasing) she's allowed more
    freedom to run around than the others, also making her think she;s
    incredibly fast.

    Parsee has an inferiority complex that she expresses through emotional
    abuse, and often has to be isolated for the sake of the other
    patients' well-being; this further cripples her self-worth.

    Suika, Yuugi, and ZUN are patients of a nearby alcoholism recovery
    center. ZUN is Aya's boyfriend, and visits her fairly often. He also
    somehow manages to regularly smuggle beer and sake into his room,
    where he has parties with the other two.

    Byakuren is a nurse who tries to make things better for everyone, but
    constant exposure to the patients causes her to fear for her own
    sanity.

    Kaguya comes from a wealthy family, but social issues, autism, and her
    NEET habits eventually led the her being committed for care. Since she
    has such a rich family and good health care cover, she has her own
    private nurse, Eirin. Eirin herself should be concerned only with
    Kaguya's care, but her high qualifications are so useful she
    occasionally helps out with other patients.

    'Nue' is just the nickname of a girl with Multiple Personality
    Disorder severe enough that, with her parents having abandoned her,
    nobody can figure out which (if any) of the personalities is the
    original. Each personality has it's own style of dress; while it
    doesn't fool the nurses (and in fact helps them know 'who' they're
    talking to), it's enough to make other patients think she's a
    shapeshifter.

    ...and so on. Each new 'game' is a pecking order being established as
    more patients are committed.
    I challenge anyone to make a fanfic for this.




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    Re: Interessante Theorie (Over Touhou)

    Bericht van Urameshiya op di sep 13, 2011 2:42 pm

    (verplaatst naar Touhou Nirvana omdat het over Touhou gaat)

    Ik moet zeggen, het is leuk bedacht. Maar wel vreselijk vergezocht... Sinds wanneer komt ZUN trouwens zelf in Gensokyo? :?

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    Bericht van Hakurei Ninja op di sep 13, 2011 4:46 pm

    Ik vond het wel grappig om te lezen, maar bij het serial killer gedeelte verloor het mijn aandacht een beetje. Dat vond ik niet zo goed passen bij de rest. En het meerdere persoonlijkheids gedoe is niet echt realistisch (ik had ooit voor een idee van een verhaal wat online onderzoek gedaan naar de echte symptomen), maar het is nooit realistisch in fictie.


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    Re: Interessante Theorie (Over Touhou)

    Bericht van Pshycho Maniac op di sep 13, 2011 5:38 pm

    Urameshiya schreef: (verplaatst naar Touhou Nirvana omdat het over Touhou gaat)

    Ik moet zeggen, het is leuk bedacht. Maar wel vreselijk vergezocht... Sinds wanneer komt ZUN trouwens zelf in Gensokyo? r:?

    Ik had hem in Entertainment gezet, omdat het leuk is om even te lezen, maar verder niet echt serieus is.

    Hakurei Ninja schreef:Ik vond het wel grappig om te lezen, maar bij het serial killer gedeelte verloor het mijn aandacht een beetje. Dat vond ik niet zo goed passen bij de rest. En het meerdere persoonlijkheids gedoe is niet echt realistisch (ik had ooit voor een idee van een verhaal wat online onderzoek gedaan naar de echte symptomen), maar het is nooit realistisch in fictie.

    Ja, ik vond dat ook niet echt leuk.
    Maar het is ook niet echt een super serieuze theorie.


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    Bericht van wolfie559 op di sep 13, 2011 7:33 pm

    ik vond het wel een enorm leuk idee
    ja oke er zitten wat mindere dingen in gelijk serial killer shit en ZUN?...ZUUUUUUN???
    maar ik vind het al bij al geen slech idee... zou wel nogal moeilijk zijn om daar een deftige fanfic te maken
    (ps: ik vind het multiple personality dingetje wel tof maar dat is persoonlijke mening... en satori is een autist nog niet zo een slechte beschrijving van extreem autisme.)


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    Bericht van Pshycho Maniac op di sep 13, 2011 9:28 pm

    Is extreem autisme in het echt dan ook zoals het beschreven staat in mijn post?



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    Wou geen nieuwe post of topic maken, dus ik post het hier:

    Ook van TVTROPES en niet echt serieus:

    Reimu is a Bitch -

    ◦The Highly Responsive to Prayers: Reimu goes on a homicidal rampage.

    ◦Story of Eastern Wonderland: Reimu seeks revenge for Mima's revenge for Reimu's previous rampage.

    ◦Phantasmagoria of Dim.Dream: Reimu interferes with academia and scientific progress.

    ◦Lotus Land Story: Reimu kills a youkai who tried to help her, and breaks into a mansion and beats up the gatekeeper and everyone inside because for some reason she believes that would stop ghosts from going to her shrine.

    ◦Mystic Square: Reimu orphans Alice and destroys an entire world for its creator's belief in the free market.

    ◦The Embodiment of Scarlet Devil: Reimu places a little girl who wanted to go flower gazing under house arrest. She also beats up retarded kids, violates private property, and picks a fight with an asthmatic person. TWICE.

    ◦Perfect Cherry Blossom: Reimu prevents an innocent girl from being revived, after beating up the self-appointed guardian of an inhabited village with the stated intention of plundering it for good luck (which she then seemingly does off-camera).

    ◦Immaterial and Missing Power: Reimu breaks up parties and prevents a girl from achieving her dream of reuniting her people.

    ◦Imperishable Night: Reimu strips Gensoukyou of its defences against a Lunar invasion. Also the repeated killing of the elderly in the Extra stage. (Alternatively, Reimu does everything in her power to stop the heroes from resolving the incident.)

    ◦Phantasmagoria of Flower View: Reimu attacks people for no good reason.

    ◦Mountain of Faith: Reimu oppresses other religions.

    ◦Scarlet Weather Rhapsody: Reimu endorses slave labor, beats up her best friend to get out of doing chores, and spends the majority of the story throwing baseless accusations at every person she meets and beating them up before they can protest.

    ◦Subterranean Animism: Reimu cuts back funding for alternative energy sources.

    ◦Undefined Fantastic Object: Reimu attempts to seal Youkai Jesus for wanting peace amongst humans and youkai.

    ◦Hisoutensoku: Reimu blames little kids for trouble because they look like they're having fun.

    ◦Double Spoiler: Reimu refuses to cooperate with important paparazzi.

    ◦Great Fairy Wars: Reimu doesn't even lift a finger to settle a civil war among one of the most abundant races in Gensoukyou.

    ◦Ten Desires: Reimu escalates a religious conflict and enacts violence against a much beloved historical figure.




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    Re: Interessante Theorie (Over Touhou)

    Bericht van wolfie559 op wo sep 14, 2011 2:43 pm

    wel autisme kan zich uiten op een manier dat inderdaad sociaal contact tussen autist en non-autist compleet onmogelijk is.
    wat niet betekent dat autisten geen nood hebben aan contact en al helemaal niet van dat ze geen contact willen.
    natuurlijk is dit een van de vele vormen waaronder autisme zichzelf kan uiten en ik moet hierbij zeggen dat dit nogal een extreme stereotiepe versie is.

    also reimu is a bitch is geweldig.
    ik lag strijk van het lachen (figuurlijk)


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    Bericht van Pshycho Maniac op wo sep 14, 2011 5:47 pm

    Huh.
    Lijkt me niet leuk om te hebben.


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    Bericht van wolfie559 op wo sep 14, 2011 9:05 pm

    alleen als je het extreem hebt. iedereen is wel een beetje autist


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    Bericht van Pshycho Maniac op wo sep 14, 2011 11:21 pm

    Dat klinkt filosofistisch


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    Bericht van Urameshiya op do sep 15, 2011 12:26 am

    Deze discussie dwaalt nu toch wel wat te ver af van het oorspronkelijke onderwerp.

    Ik vraag me ook af of het niet beter zou zijn geweest om een ander topic te beginnen over dat tweede stuk van TV-Tropes, aangezien het volledig los staat van het eerste, maar omdat ook dat een interessante theorie over Touhou is, zal ik het topic niet opsplitsen. Verder zou het de discussie ten goede om iets toe te voegen, zoals een mening of een specifieke kanttekening, wanneer je iets kopieert en plakt. Daarmee krijgt het topic een richting, in plaats van dat we alleen maar op allerlei details uit het plaksel in kunnen gaan.
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    Goed, nu ik de preek gehad heb...
    ...over het Reimu is a bitch stukje: het mag dan misschien niet serieus bedoeld zijn, maar ik vind het eigenlijk juist leuk dat de 'helden' in Touhou, zowel Reimu als Marisa als de rest, niet zo heldhaftig zijn en niet voor gerechtigheid strijden ofzo. ^^; Het is juist wel verfrissend om helden te hebben die om compleet onzinnige redenen met de bazen in gevecht raken.

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    Bericht van Helepolis op do sep 15, 2011 2:01 pm

    Als je je verdiept in de vertalingen van de dialogen in de spellen, kom je erachter dat er wel degelijke reden achter elke personage zit. Hoewel die natuurlijk een beetje 'Touhou'-achtig is.

    Kortom: Reimu, Marisa, Sanae en Youmu zijn niet echt bepaald je doorsnee 'helden'. Ze verrichten in principe geen heldendaden. Het is voornamelijk egoïsme of het 'repareren' van probleempjes.
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    Bericht van Urameshiya op do sep 15, 2011 2:11 pm

    Nouja, ik bedoelde met 'onzinnige redenen' ook niet te zeggen dat niet alle karakters hun eigen (begrijpelijke of minder begrijpelijke) beweegredenen hebben, maar meer dat de reden dat het ook daadwerkelijk op een danmaku-knokpartijtje uitloopt bij veel bazen vrij onzinnig is.


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    Bericht van wolfie559 op do sep 15, 2011 6:50 pm

    ze willen altijd de problemen oplossen omdat ze er zelf last van hebben.


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    Bericht van Urameshiya op do sep 15, 2011 7:53 pm

    wolfie559 schreef:ze willen altijd de problemen oplossen omdat ze er zelf last van hebben.
    Niet altijd, toch? Van een vliegend schip of van een lente met iets te veel bloemen heeft bijvoorbeeld niemand echt last...

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